Wednesday, March 07, 2007

Godless Dollar Emails Misinform about the New Presidential Dollars

There have been a couple of different versions of emails floating around the internet lately claiming that the National Motto "In God We Trust" has been omitted from the new dollar coins.
Here is a an example of one of those emails:

U.S. Government to release new dollar coins.
You guessed it "IN GOD WE TRUST" IS GONE!!!
Who originally put "In God We Trust" onto our currency?
My bet is that it was one of the Presidents on these coins.
All our U.S. Government has done is Dishonor them, and disgust me!!!
If ever there was a reason to boycott something, THIS IS IT!!!

DO NOT ACCEPT THE NEW DOLLAR COINS AS CHANGE

Together we can force them out of circulation.

The problem with these emails - - they are flat out WRONG!

The new dollar coins do contain "IN GOD WE TRUST" on them. The National Motto, along with the year, mint mark, and the phrase "E PLURBIS UNUM", have all been moved to the edge of the coin to avoid cluttering the design. Although a few examples have been found with the edge lettering missing, these are error coins and not some government plot to phase God out of America.


The one word that is missing from the new dollar coins is the word LIBERTY. Apparently the thought was that the word would be redundant since the reverse design for all of the coins depicts the Statue of Liberty.

So if you get one of these emails in your inbox, please do everyone a favor, don't pass it on . . . DELETE IT!

24 Comments:

At 9:44 PM, Blogger Scott said...

Rather than put the motto on the obverse or reverse, congress decided to put it on the edge. Was this a wise thing to do? I am not sure, but it seems to have the religious wackos in a tizzy over something inane. Can't they find anything better to do with their time??

 
At 8:50 PM, Blogger James E. said...

Actually TIME is not the issue at hand; it really wouldn't surprise me a bit if our country did remove "In God We Trust" just to apease the few who think it is wrong. Remember our country was founded on Christian basis and had it not been for the strong conviction of the early "religious 'wackos'" as you put it, YOU wouldn't have the privilage of living in this wonderful country right now. Be thankful to God for this privilage.

 
At 8:54 PM, Blogger James E. said...

Inane is not the word, the basic principals on which our wonderful country was founded is at issue. Our country was founded by some "religious 'wackos'" as you put it and that is the very reason we are here today, because of those "wackos" upholding that on which our country was founded. You should be ashamed to make such comments considering you share this privilage with the rest of us. Please re-think what you said because if it were left up to some politicians they would leave off "In God We Trust" just to apease some of the anti-christian zellots. Thank you for listening with an open mind.

 
At 2:34 PM, Blogger Diane said...

Scott:
My thoughts are similar. Not only is it hard to locate, but won't the edges--and the lettering--wear over time? I have some British pounds where the lettering on the coin edge is just about impossible to see. I hope it's a strong alloy, or that old coins are pulled appropriately.

James E.:
Whatever the religious beliefs of our founding fathers, the coin has the motto. That's the purpose of this post.

 
At 6:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those who claim this country was founded by 'Christians' and such, you better go back to school and study your history. Yes, many came to the New World to escape religious persecution...but that is a far cry from 'establishing a country on religious principles'. This country was founded with the purpose of separating church from state. I am a Christian, and I know my facts.
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

 
At 10:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know what is funny? how all the people are protesting about some words on a coin when there are way!!! more serious issues to devote our attention to. I dont see any emails about stop the illegal war in Iraq that was started on false pretenses and killed over 4000 American Soldiers. I think that is more of an outrage than some words on a damn coin! Why dont you all stop crying about stupid useless stuff and put that energy to help stop a war killing thousands of people or world hunger, aids, and all the other bad things in this world that would be a real religious person! then you would be following Jesus's example. I am tired of all the hipocracy and fake religious people. The coin is fine lets talk about important things now.

 
At 5:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Irregardless of whether it is on the coin or not, the main arguement is that it is not prominent, but almost hidden and over time will disappear through wear. This seems only to be a first step toward complete removal. Are we ashamed of our history and how we were established? I for one am not!

 
At 8:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just another part of the Democrat Agenda to rid all mention of God from every facet of life in this country. They would sooner have some wacko statement about evolution or their phony global warming hoax on our currency. Don't be surprised when you see it. They have plenty of useful idiots to support them.

 
At 12:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The guy who says he knows his history -- does not know his history. He has a distorted view that is in most modern history books. The truth is that our forefathers believed in divine providence and the actions of God in founding this country, e.g. the idea for the 3 parts of government is actually from the Bible!

 
At 3:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, I'm not in a tizzy over the coin, but I do think whomever is making claims or points should have their facts strait. Thomas Jefferson wrote the ever-quoted "separation of church and state" in a letter to the Danbury Bapatists. He is almost always misquoted, though. He was not saying that the church should be kept out of the state, but rather that the state should be kept out of the church. The problem was that local governments were regressing back to the way things were in England (the reason everyone left and came here) and telling the people how they could or couldn't express their beliefs. The letter was the precursor to the first amendment. Not a rant; an accurate, historical fact.

 
At 8:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The guy who says he knows his history is also wrong about "Church and State" it does not, in fact, appear in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution and was added later in the Bill of Rights. And as Anonymous says, the Founders were, in fact, Christians, which - to argue semantics - means the country WAS founded BY Christians. Also, Puritans were a branch of Christianity. Additionally, there are multiple mentions of God in many of the founding documents.

 
At 5:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Republican, Christian, and former bank teller, these emails bug me to no end. These coins have been out for four years now?! Is it possible that enough people have never looked at the edge of these coins to keep these emails alive? Or are we just looking for another hopeless fight?

 
At 11:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahem ... for the christian nation crowd.

1) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/TreatyofTripoli.gif

... Article 11.

2) "In god we trust" was ADDED to money starting in 1957 (go ahead, google it. I'll wait).

So if you don't mind, we would appretiate it if you would stop trying to inject god where it doesn't belong.

 
At 5:24 PM, Blogger A.C. Dwyer said...

While I'm a Christian who firmly supports the separation of church and state, I really don't mind, one way or another, if the motto appears on our nation's money. However, I do have a problem when history is distorted to support one side or the other.

In the case of the previous comment, a little history lesson is in order (google it if you want).

1) While the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli clearly states that "the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion," it does not make this statement with respect to God. For this argument to hold true, then God must only exist for Christians.

However, Article 11 was in the treaty to convince Tripoli that the United States did not harbor any enmity towards Muslims (another religion that also believes in God by the way). The treaty in no way made reference to God, one way or the other.

2) I find the second point about In God We Trust not being added to money until 1957 pretty laughable. Here is a Link to a coin in my collection from 1864.

What is that I see near the top of the obverse? ... I think it says In God We Trust!

The motto was added to our nation's coinage STARTING in 1864 at the height of the Civil War. First it was added to the 2-cent piece in 1864, followed in 1866 by the 5-cent nickel, quarter dollar, half dollar, dollar, $5 half eagle, $10 eagle, and $20 double eagle.

In 1956, Congress finally passed a law making In God We Trust our national motto and in 1957 it was finally added to our paper currency. But by then, it had been on many of our coins for over 90 years!

 
At 11:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For God's people to watch as He is removed from the public domain bit by bit, is disheartening.
No moment of prayer in schools, many public events now exclude prayer as a prelude to their activity. The 'In God we Trust' motto on the edge of the coin where undoubtedly it will wear away and the next design may not have the motto anywhere. This country is NOT better morally in this new generation.

 
At 3:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quote from Teddy Roosevelt: "...it seems to me eminently unwise to cheapen such a motto by use on coins, just as it would be to cheapen it by use on postage stamps or advertisements" I agree. Do we really want "In God We Trust" on our dirty money.

 
At 6:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to Isaac Kramnick, a professor of government at Cornell University, America was founded as a secular state--completely neutral towards all forms of religious expression.

"In 1787," Kramnick writes, "when the framers excluded all mention of God from the Constitution, they were widely denounced as immoral and the document was denounced as godless, which is precisely what it is."

Opponents of the Constitution challenged ratifying conventions in nearly every state, calling attention to Article VI, Section 3: "No religious test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

An anti-federalist in North Carolina wrote: "The exclusion of religious tests is by many thought dangerous and impolitic. Pagans, Deists and Mohammedans might obtain office among us." Amos Singletary of Massachusetts, one of the most outspoken critics of the Constitution, said that he "hoped to see Christians (in power), yet by the Constitution, a papist or an infidel was as eligible as they."

The United States Constitution is a completely secular political document. It begins "We the people," and contains no mention of "God," "Jesus," or "Christianity." Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as, "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust." (Article VI), and "Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" (First Amendment).

The presidential oath of office, the only oath detailed in the Constitution does not contain the phrase "so help me God" or any requirement to swear on a Bible (Article II, Section 1). In 1797, America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that "the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington's presidency and approved by the Senate under John Adams.

The first colony of English-speaking Europeans was Jamestown, settled in 1609 for trade, not religious freedom. Fewer than half of the 102 Mayflower passengers in 1620 were "Pilgrims" seeking religious freedom. The secular United States of America was formed more than 150 years later.

The words "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Similarly, "In God we Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956, though it did appear on some coins. The original U.S. motto, written by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality and diversity.

American law is not based on the Bible or the Ten Commandments. The first four Commandments in the Old Testament are religious edicts having nothing to do with law or ethical behavior. Only three (homicide, theft, and perjury) are relevant to American law, and have existed in cultures long before Moses. If Americans honored the commandment against "coveting," free enterprise would collapse! The Supreme Court has ruled that posting the Ten Commandments in public schools is unconstitutional.

 
At 8:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHY?????????????? ALOT DEBATE OVER RELIGOUS-HISTORIC WHATEVER----IN GOD WE TRUST WAS PUT THERE AND SHOULD STAY THERE-WHERE IT HAS BEEN FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS - END OF DISCUSSION!

 
At 11:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the word "LIBERTY" as is required???

 
At 11:54 AM, Blogger A.C. Dwyer said...

Good question. The word "Liberty" was left off of the Presidential dollars. The U.S. Mint's explanation for the change is that depicting the Statue of Liberty on the reverse is a way of "representing this important value."

What it really comes down to is that they have too much text on the coins. If you notice, the words "one dollar" was replaced with the numeral and a dollar sign ($1) for the first time too.

 
At 3:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once we become a country where our trust and faith in the ONE TRUE GOD can no longer be found, we will be a country without the GOD given blessing of true FREEDOM and true LIBERTY. We may soon discover what it feels like to live in a country where it is legal for husbands to abuse their wives, lawful for Father's to kill their daughters for religious disobedience and honorable for our son's to blow up innocent neighbors for their faith. We will then witness the price of denying the true PRINCE OF PEACE! This is about so much more than words on currency.

 
At 2:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

God never cluttered anything! Were the designer worried about cluttering, he had only to move "1st President 1789 - 1797" to the edge instead. George Washington would have demanded it, never once putting his works or importance above those of God's.
(See David Barton's exhaustive published research on the amazing faith of our Founding Fathers)
v/r Rudy Fink, Sr

 
At 3:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no God

 
At 5:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The in god we trust on the edge of the coin wouldn't wear off, its not raised lettering it is in printed in the coin so therefore whoever said its just a way of taking "in god we trust" off of our our currency is just another person that has something to complain about.. What about people who don't believe in god.. they were made to pray in school when they didn't even believe, i would have taken it out of the schooling system also.. thats the whole point of freedom, The choice to choose for your self not be forced to do something like most fortune 500 A.K.A religions do.. All this over a saying on a coin?? Get a life.. and take the advise the person up top said, put ur energy on stopping war etc.. oh yea 1 last thing with all do respect, to all the religious people in here live and let live and stop worrying about god being taken out of our country because if u are a believer god is where he will always be

 

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